Jan 3, 2012

training

Little 500 in the news down in Florida where the winter training is occurring.....

http://www.naplesnews.com/blogs/bonita-and-beyond-jim-boeglin/2012/jan/03/indiana/

A Women's Team riding 90 miles? Who could this be and will it help in 4 months? We demand to know!

64 comments:

Anonymous said...

How many women's teams would be training that hard over winter break. I just say it's Teter and will have a pretty good shot at being right.

Todd your comments?

Anonymous said...

good guess.

Todd said...

You guys need to do your own homework. You can find out who it is in about 30 seconds, but honestly it's pretty weak that you didn't already know.

Anonymous said...

103 miles based on facebook bike computer.

Anonymous said...

The real question is who is doing more miles this break: Cutters or Teter?

As Teter maybe the only team who can stop the Cutters....certainly no mens team can...

Anonymous said...

I heard hutcheson beat Walsh in all of the sign sprints.

Todd said...

Not exactly, but for the first time ever (2004-present) a Cutter didn't win the Saturday OC Race (St. Aug.'s version of Wednesday Worlds). The door might be open.

Anonymous said...

We rep the Thetas

Anonymous said...

Is Beth cooper on the thetas now?

Anonymous said...

Thetas have knapp coaching. Who's the first one he'll sleep with?

David said...

Thetas are changing coaches with the frequency of a cheap ham radio.

Anonymous said...

Is Hamilton not helping anymore? Did Hamilton get replaced or did Hamilton ask Knapp to coach? Why? I need answersssssssss! They do go through a lot of good coaches with race experience.

Anonymous said...

Master Bait and Tackle. huh huh huh master bait. huh huh huh.

Andrew Dahlen

Anonymous said...

http://www.masterbaitonline.com/

Anonymous said...

thetas must have wanted a single coach

Anonymous said...

knapp doesn't know what he's getting into. hope tom and hamilton warn him before he gets fired too

Anonymous said...

teter will solo away for tic tac toe

Anonymous said...

Was hamilton actually fired? because I think hes friends with Knapp so could that put a strain on their friendship? Ohhh, dramaaaaa!

Anonymous said...

fired little methered staged a coup

Anonymous said...

Dang and hired his friend (I think they raced together) so cutthroat. The program was fine when Tom was there, but they just had to put up with Tom...and all the stuff he provided for them at little to no cost. This is like pro baseball. you didn't win in 2 years? see ya! Why didn't Knapp go back to DG? He had them rolling pretty fast every year and had a win. Theta will be strong this year. Could make Teter and Wing It very nervous. Metherd will be good and Kathleen might dominate everyone. I bet she breaks the ITT record next year or the year after.

Anonymous said...

then cutters theta repeat on jersey night

aftic said...

Didn't Theta finish 6 laps down, first time out of the top 10 ever? Where were Rachael and Kathleen. I'll bet Tom will take any bet that Hewitt's ITT record survives any Theta attempt. Theta is still rebuilding.

Anonymous said...

Brah. You got no clue brah. Thetas be like legit. For real man, I heard about that. They will be legit brah

Anonymous said...

Kathleen had the flu. She was 4th in Itt's as a freshman. They also had that amazing faceplant crash where the girl got up and still raced afterward. Now thats badass. Half their team was basically 50 percent.

Anonymous said...

Oh so they will still finish a lap down to Teter? If the ITT record is going to be broken I see it coming from another team besides Theta.

Hank said...

Both men's and women's itt record would have fallen last year to CVK and Young if weather and track conditions weren't absolute shit. To beat the record you need to both possess the skills and be blessed with good track conditions. Fat chance anything is falling this year

Anonymous said...

CVK was never anywhere near Hewitt's record. And Kathleen was more than 10 seconds off. And was never 4th unless the IUSF results are wrong. That's a lot of time to make up, even if she did have the flu.

It's pretty clear that Teter is putting in the time and the miles. Everybody else better step it up!

Anonymous said...

Van Cooten was faster than Hewitt even for 4 laps. Give her more and she blows her out of the water. The womens record will be easily broken when you combine a great rider with great conditions. All you have to do is look at Youngs time from last year to realize nobody had a shot at the record or even close to it. Then look at Team Pursuit when ideal conditions hit, and she breaks the all time record by 13 seconds without pulling off even once. Then look at Miss n out where she pulled from the front every single lap and had one of the best riders of all time on her wheel on a windy day and she blew her away as well. Then look at the race and see how they won by almost two laps.

Kathleen took 4th according to IUSF results. If they are wrong they should be changed.

Anonymous said...

that rookie doesn't hold a candle to cvk. or hewitt. or rieke

Anonymous said...

that wannabe and little methered will try to and fail beat gowdy and laury

Tom Schwoegler said...

"Van Cooten was faster than Hewitt even for 4 laps".

Hewitt's best ITT 2009 2:34.00
CVK's best ITT 2011 2:39.41

Since 2000, CVK gets beat by:

Holterhoff 2000
Wangerin 2002
Bri 2004
Lindemann 2004
Saap 2004
Milne 2005
Cooper 2005
Horner 2005
Sapp 2005
Cooper 2005
Lindemann 2005
Sapp 2006
Thompson 2006
Rieke 2007
Loebig 2007
Manck 2007
Hewitt 2008
Rieke 2008

Geraint Parry said...

A diesel if ever there was one.... who could also win a one lap sprint (if it where to be needed). I guess 4 laps is the achilles heel.
With hindsight the strategy should have been to isolate CvK after 96laps against a good rider that hadn't ridden a many laps and voila...Teter loses!!

Kinda how DG won in 2008 (and the genius of RK$ who brings that expertise to Theta....)

Anonymous said...

Tom now you should post all the people that beat Eric Youngs time from last year. He certainly could not beat all those before him for 4 laps. Your logic still holds true if there was a 90 mile an hour wind because weather plays no factor at all. I will say Hewitt earned that record and deserves to have it.

Geraint, Reike was the record holder in 08 so the genius was in the coaching because she snuck off the front and Reike thought she had the lead. Thetas have a good coach

Geraint Parry said...

For sure it was a good job by DG in 2008 and they did indeed go out and win it. However, at the risk of opening old wounds, the wise thinking is that Teter lost it that day in a variety of ways. However they have clearly put that disappointment behind them and it's difficult to bet against them winning three in a row this year.

It's true it would have been nice to see Eric give a go at the ITT record on a good day. I don't think it was obvious he would have beaten Hans' record, that was/is an impressive ride.

Anonymous said...

What should Teter have done differently that day? If I remember correctly, they had a half lap lead and there was a 40 mph wind.

Anonymous said...

Hardest records to break in my opinion starting from the easiest.
1. Womens quals record
2. Womans Itt record
3. Mens Itt record
4. Mens quals
5. Womans Team Pursuit
6. Mens team pursuit

These are all good records and it was debatable where I should put them. I went with Mens team pursuit as the hardest because no one has even approached being within 23 seconds of it since at least 2000 where the results stopped being posted.

2nd hardest is womens team pursuit because it was by 13 seconds. It could be broken if 2-3 riders like Caitlin pulled on a fast track.

The easiest in my opinion is womens quals because it is slower than the Itt record while the mens is not. Still a great record and hard to beat.

The 2nd easiest is Womens Itts. This has been broken over and over again in recent years and the women seem to get faster every few years.

The 3rd easiest is Mens Itts. This is a great record. The only reason its 3rd is because it was slower than the mens quals record while the womens is not. It is possible that my theory is off and that the mens quals record is just amazing since it has been around so long.

I put the mens quals record as third hardest to beat. I think a team also went a 2:15 so teams have been close before unlike the mens and womens team pursuit. Todd your thoughts?

Anonymous said...

Anon 12.18: they could have kept riding, the wind is the same for everyone. Don't give up half a lap when you have it!

Todd said...

I think all three men's records are harder than the women's. The TP record is absurd. Next I'd say the quals record just because of the variables in it to go that fast.

Anonymous said...

The wind is not the same in a pack when sharing pulls to chase though right? And let Theta ride the wheel fresh all the way around. Maybe? I guess in hindsight they could have tried because they got 2nd anyway.

Anonymous said...

@ Todd

The only reason I could agree with you is that the womens race has been around for less than half the years so they had catching up to do in evolution of the sport. I just remember SAE going a 2:15 and all it takes is coordinated fast twitch athletes which the Cutters typically are not trained for. They ride so much and have maybe 1-2 sprinters instead of 4 jocks riding a bike and perfecting exchanges. It sounds like you just don't like given credit to women and that they should just stay in the kitchen. I disagree Todd

Todd said...

Your first point is dead on. The women's records just are not as time tested as the men's.

Anonymous said...

Hank 2001 2:16.73
Patches 2003 2:17.38
Young 2011 2:32.21
Van Kooten 2011 2:28.21
Tom S. 1951 2:15.75

Todd said...

ITTs weren't introduced until 1996.

Anonymous said...

and todd chimes in again right on cue

Geraint Parry said...

Anon January 7, 2012 7:11 PM
Yep hindsight is clearly pretty accurate.

However pull through with Theta (or just pull them) for another 20/30laps (Theta weren't gonna attack) with Teter girls who were much stronger on average then have Rieke smash whoever she was with 20laps to go and it's over. Old news anyway....

I like the ranking of records and agree the Mens are much harder to break. The fact that a single Women (however good) can smash the Womens TP means a strong team could surely beat that without too much trouble (as Women's training develops etc...). Similar with the Quals record. Maybe the ITT record is most difficult Women's record but not as hard as any of the Mens...

Todd said...

And Anon chimes in right on cue.

Anonymous said...

it's unbelievable how much time some people must spend reading this

Anonymous said...

I figured Teter got that half lap ans was not making ground and then they put the best rider who got caught from behind. When your best rider gets caught like that going all out, it sure seems unlikely that she would have gotten . You use all your energy on getting the half lap then the huge wind is hitting you. My guess is the pack would have started catching very soon.

Anonymous said...

i figured you saw pi phi start sprinting in turn 3 but didn't think they were on the lead lap so you let them go, that's why they won the 2009 race

Anonymous said...

Who let Pi Phi go? That was a great win. No one should have excuses on that race. Perfect execution.

Anonymous said...

Teter didn't try for the half lap gap. When they came back from Yellow Rieke went race speed and no one else picked up the pace to match. So in a matter of a lap or 2 they where half a lap out. They didn't want to be out there but once you have it might as well try to win the race then.

Tom Schwoegler said...

Teter was willing to go, but Theta wouldn't; essentially trading 2nd for 4th. Dylan Casey even pointed it out during the HDNet broadcast.

Anonymous said...

And we all know Dylan Casey wouldn't know Little 500 from the Tour de France (which I believe he rode once).

Tom Schwoegler said...

To you perhaps, but it was a valid observation nonetheless.

Anonymous said...

I think the year before in 07 is where Teter made a mistake. They tried to reel the winning team in by doing regular pack sets with Theta trading instead of going all out in 3-4 lap sets to try to shrink the lead more quickly.

Tom Schwoegler said...
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Anonymous said...

theta did screw that one up big time. agreed Tom. probably because of bad pit coaching

Anonymous said...

thetas probably thought they had a better chance in a pack sprint rather than racing rieke and teter 1 on 1. they probably had a better chance in a sprint

Anonymous said...

they thought wrong. They could have tried to attack before the sprint just like DG did.

Petra said...

"thetas probably thought they had a better chance in a pack sprint rather than racing rieke and teter 1 on 1. they probably had a better chance in a sprint"

Because sprinting with Teter one on one with the rest of the field one lap down is less desirable than a pack sprint???

Geeze, do the math. 2nd is a better finish than 4th.

You must be channeling David Jordan.

Anonymous said...

i think everyone agrees david jordan made some bad calls that race

Anonymous said...

I think this guy is related to the Fijis Boeglins. maybe uncle or grampy?

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LccxeBMLibY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Anonymous said...

In the paraphrased words of Dom Toretto: It doesn't matter if you lose by an inch or a mile, losing is losing.

Go for it all, or don't go at all.

Just win baby.- Al Davis

Frat