Nice ride by Steve Sharp who impressed by taking the front for the dangerous elimination rounds and then had an impressive turn of speed out of turn 2. PDT have been the most aggressive team in the last 2 years but now have licence to sit in and wait for the sprint. Can DTDs, Beta or Cutters be aggressive instead?
And Sven did get screwed in that first elimination after riding a perfect tactical lap, latching onto Steve's wheel. When will the MnO organisers learn that the BEST way to judge is from the press box (or the bleachers) and not from on the track. The action is way too close to the judge and riders close to the inside of the track always get the shaft. However this change will require better (and larger) numbers placement so that they can be seen from further away.
8 years ago
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Depasse would have won if he was in this heat
Everything with IUSF is officially unofficial.
It would be foolish for PDT to sit in & wait for a sprint. Several of them came back for their 5th year & they didn't train hard all year to just sit in. They've put in the hard work and as they've shown the past 2 years, they can shred the field when they want. Be aggressive, shrink the field, then put Sharp in to close the deal with only a handful of teams vs 8+. I'd hate to see it be an 8+ team sprint and have PDT not win. To much of a gamble!
and have Cutters follow out each of their attacks and ride the wheels to victory. Cutters love to ride like shit in Spring series so they punish everyone on race day. I am surprised they do spring series.
I'm still lost on the PDT has shown they can shred the field thing. They got lapped last year! Oh, u must have meant "shred their wheels". I'm ok now, threw up in my mouth a bit.
Depasse is the ultimate winner. He showed he is the best rider at IU with his miss n out results.
Teter continues to shred all little 500 events. Deepest and most consistent team by far. When you have a rookie that's a top 15 rider and won't ride on race day, you have some real depth. Not to mention they put 3 riders in the semis and two into the finals. They probably have the best coach on the women's side too.
A coach that does nothing except come down for quals and the race? There are at least 10 women's coaches I would want before him. Anyone could coach Teter and be in the top 3. They get all the best recruits.
As for Woj coaching Teter, I can say firsthand that he has developed into a very good coach and he does more than you think. Just because he isn't in Bloomington, does not mean he doesn't have contact with the team.
He also has learned what he isn't good at which is something that several coaches never learn and he also understands the nuance difference between the men's and women's race.
Teter will be ready to go on race day.
No Todd, you're not bias at all. The girls said it themselves. Teter has won 2 times and both were with CVK. Anyone can show up and say go hard when you have all the best riders.
No, they have won three times and the first time Woj won as a coach was not with CVK.
And they should have won more. The jury is out on Woj as a race coach. They should have won at least one more... We shall see what he can do this year when he goes against the genius of the Knappstar.
Knapp got lucky with DG in 08. If anything he should have done better the past few years having Kent and half on the same team and also last year but he couldn't train his girls right. If you want to see good coaching verse bad that's the difference in Woj and knapp. Woj doesn't lose the race with good talent but knapp does. Besides what happen to Hamilton coaching theta?
Woj has coached for 7 years, he's won 3 times and no other coach has won twice, but the "jury is out" on him.
He'll likely get to 500 this year.
Knapp = so hot
Yeah and sleeping with his riders wherever he can sounds like a real winner. Theta girls beware.
Woj lost Little 5 more times than he's won. If you include riding, he lost 6 times and only won 5, and 3 of those 6 losses were 2nd place. Most coaches that have a losing record get fired after a few years.
Ha I assume that's a joke. If you don't coach the Cutters then you have a L5 losing record. Woj's losing record isn't too bad considering every year there is but one winner and 32 losers.
Tom = most rings in Little 5 women's history with at least 4. 20+ years of experience. I think his team was top 10 every time. = better than Woj or Knapp by far.
And as far as I know, Tom does not sleep with his riders like the poster mentioned above about Knapp. (no idea if that's true)
3 in 7 years or 4 in 25+. I like woj's stats a bit better. Just saying. That's simple math
The Bear Jew Kragie
Man that Branch McCracken is a really good coach.
You're right, Woj and Teter do get the best girls and the best recuits, but talent doesn't always win. A lot can be said for managing all those egos--especially on the girls side with plenty of emotions. That's what separates him from everyone else, he keeps his girls under control and doesn't let their emotions overwhelm them.
-Rival Coach
Why and how does Teter get the best recruits though? They don't have the name Cutters from the movie, Woj doesn't live there to recruit people, they have the name of a lame dorm. What prevents Wing It from getting all the best recruits, or Theta since they are such a cycling friendly sorority, or Kappa with their storied program and lots of athletes.
It can't be all luck or some covert recruiting operation.
Woj, alumni base and a good team with positive relations. Wing-it doesn't get them because they all hate each other and don't even want to ride with each other, who would want to ride on that team? Theta does get good girls, look at Kath and Rachel.
i love it. the comments get so entertaining the closer we are to 4/21
He used to be a dick if you weren't close friends with him or rode for Cutters. Those girls made him soft. Now hes just goofy. He always forgets who I am and I've met him at least 10 times. Seems nice though now.
The term recruit is the dumbest comment you can make in reference to Teter or the Cutters. Neither program recruits.
The Bear Jew Kragie will destroy everyone come the race by throwing his hands up in jubilation for getting anything and wrecking everyone out in true beta fashion
Easy on the bull-shit rumors, assholes. That's a bit over the line.
Someone can't handle the truth
Woj is idiot on race day. But with the best riders, rhaa rhaa turn left will still get you a win on race day once in a while. He's lost more with the best talent year after year. Mentioning Toms name is just a joke as a manager of race day. Both bumbling. Norm and Nass, are COACHES. If, your coach can't be bothered but to show up a couple times a year, it's about him/her not about the team.
LOLZ. You know it's getting close to the race when the trolls come out to play! Pass the popcorn.
SNU FTW.
Woj had vankooten. Pretty confident he's not responsible for her success. So he's realistically managed one win in the past what 5 years. Thats better that Tom, though Woj had more depth early on. Todd your point about learning what Woj is and isnt good at and backing off is a good one. Tom take heed. Stop meddling and being annoying and start actually coaching rather than stroking your ego and pretending to be important to IUSFand everyone else. You aren't. Why were you on the infield all day at quals?
Tom is about Tom, given. Woj would call off 3/4 lap lead with the fastest rider on the track, on the bike and end up losing to the DG team he literally let back into the race. There are good strategic coaches sand bad ones, would put Wok in the good column.
Think Fabien Cancellara towing another good pro for 45 miles with the pack 2 minutes behind. Hes expending 30 percent more energy than the person hes towing. He stops gaining ground. Uh oh. Fabian must either tow this guy to the line and take 2nd as the towee sprints around him or go back to the pack and try to win later. In Teters case, they had the best sprinter. And in the case of Little 5, 2nd is not important. Only first matters.
That literally is the dumbest thing I have ever read, and shows someone's L5 ignorance. If you have the best sprinter who oh by the way is the best RIDER. You don't pull up with a 3/4 lap lead cuz u have an exhausted theta team in tow. you dont pull up, u lap the field. You don't let 6 other teams back into the race based on that lame erroneous TETER race logic. Once teams are lapped in the women's race, they are done.
Woj is an excellent coach! I wouldn't have been the same rider, without his coaching.
Winning is about so much more than race day. Woj doesn't just get lucky and show up to race day with 4 strong riders. He puts in a lot of effort through the whole year. He starts writing workouts for the team as soon as school starts and is on the phone with riders pretty much every day, as series events and the race get closer. He's extremely dedicated and excited about everyone improving, even rookies that are likely not going to make the the race day team. Maybe it looks like Teter gets the best new riders, but that's because most people don't see them struggling through intervals in the fall or barely making it through the Hilly Hundred. The riders put in the work and push each other to get strong for race day, but Woj is a huge part of that success.
Something I've really appreciated about Woj is that he listens to the team, thinks about what works and hasn't worked and adapts his style of coaching. I think the result is a program that really works and a team that genuinely loves what they're doing. He's a better coach now then when I started as a freshman.
I think we'll keep the excitable guy with the impressive wing span in our pit race day. Most of the time you just need somebody to tell you that "you've got this" and to keep energy high. Most of the real work has already been done.
-CVK
P.S. Big thanks are also due to Todd and Peter for helping so much during the races. Laser like focus, calm, and great strategic thinkers.
Knapp getting a little offended? Must have hit close to home. Maybe that rumor was more true than I thought...
CVK = blind faith
Your facts are totally wrong. Half lap lead not 3/4, and Teter got caught from behind. 40 mph headwind and Teter had not made ground in several laps. They were gassed!! If Teter buries themselves while Theta drafts the whole time, its like giving the race away to Theta. Theta took a huge gamble and lost. Teter played percentages and lost due to a great move by Ryan knapp and DG.
A half lap lead is great if you can actually make it around. Then they could have sit in the pack and recovered. Its obvious that they couldn't lap the field that day. At that time it had never been done in history but it seems so easy to you.
You have such simplistic views on life. Tom Brady threw for 50 touchdowns. Why doesn't he just throw a bunch of bombs to Randy Moss and win the Superbowl? What a fool Tom Brady is.
I can't wait for the race!
90 percent of winning Little 5 is race day strategy. Woj is handed the keys to the top riders every year and blows it half the time. 10 percent of the race includes training riders. Everyone knows how to train. Pick up a book and its easy. The mental aspect of the race is a non factor unless you get in a wreck because you got scared. You just ride hard. Its not like golf where the mental part of the game is 90 percent. So stupid!!!
Raise your hand if you are a coach who wins half the time?
I would take his record.
1st, 12th, 2nd, 2nd, 7th, 1st, 1st
Teter didn't try to go for the lap or the gap for that matter. After a yellow they picked it up and no one when with them. If it is not a 40 mph wind they win in a landslide. They decided to pull back because of the wind and the laps left and give it to the ITT record holder and 2X MNO champ.
8:17 - "90 percent of winning Little 5 is race day strategy. Woj is handed the keys to the top riders every year and blows it half the time. 10 percent of the race includes training riders. Everyone knows how to train. Pick up a book and its easy. The mental aspect of the race is a non factor unless you get in a wreck because you got scared. You just ride hard. Its not like golf where the mental part of the game is 90 percent. So stupid!!!"
Failed attempt at trolling.
Best recruits? Who of the Teter riders rode before in a competitive way before IU?
Rieke- Developed into a ITT record holder, MNO Champ, Pole twice, TP champ, 1st and a pair of 2nds and HOF
CVK- Pole (Record), ITT Champ, MNO Champ, TP (record), two 1st's (with a lap)
Neither of these ladies on paper would have been highly recruited. Let they developed within the the Teter System.
If you just look at how the "supporting riders" have developed it is clear the Teter system works and Woj is a good coach both during the year and at the race.
TETER,Woj?? Both ridiculous! talking about them is plain stupid! They will not win, he can not coach. Previous arguments are just excuses for losing when they clearly should have won. Who cares?
95% of the race is coaching and strategy, and to disagree but very few know how to train for the race. Do you think CSF will be around after lap 30? You can do amazing things on race day with average riders if you can coach and manage the race. Ask Norm.
CVK = Faster then you
Todd doesn't get it. In golf you assume everybody or at least the top 10 are cabable trained golfers. 90 percent of winning is mental and in game strategy. In cycling, you just need to go hard if you have already trained and ride smart based on strategy. The top 5 teams all train the same and know what they are doing. To say Teter has a better training program is ridiculous. Norm gets the best out of his average talent. Woj takes top talent and finds ways to lose. Big difference.
@6:46 finally! That is exactly right! Woj invents ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? Top 5 strategic men's coaches and women's coaches (race day)
Bet he creates top talent! Part of being a coach is getting the riders to a position in which they can win. If you only look at race day you are missing where most of the coaching takes place.
Maybe Woj isn't the best race coach but he uses his knowledge about how training works to over come this and have a superior team in place come race day.
I still think Teter is gonna win it, maybe Theta takes 2nd with a 200m gap and DG holding their wheel.
If you look at all time great coaches they inspire and guide their players. Tom does this for his riders...not just the 6 months leading up to the race. I have seen Tom sitting in Bloomington Bagel the morning after the girls race with 2 decades of riders sitting there...Sure there is a X factor with Tom that you get but that is what you take with his experience. It is a special kind of person to do what Tom does...I'm sorry but I just don't see the guys named above doing it for that long or having that much success over time.
And one more thing Tom does it for free...
-Notorious
what teams pay coaches, and how much?
Hank is getting paid 3k from Collins. Hogwarts has a lot of money!
Some do some don't depends on the house and or team budget. Time is money.
Oh nothing is for free with Tom, there is always a price just ask the teams he is not coaching any more.
Wow people hanging out with Tom proves he is a good coach? Well then I guess Woj is a good coach too. Last year I saw people from past teams drinking with him at Oliver.
Race is about the riders!
"Eric who?"
Fiji's are looking good at track practice. I expect them to be around most of the race.
Fiji's are in same group as AKAK and Theta Chi. 2nd tier teams that have a chance if the race is slow.
You think AKAK is second tier? That's the best joke I've heard all day. Besides Bortz, who is middle of the top riders at best, the rest of their team didn't even see a bike before March
One good rider makes you 2nd tier. No good riders makes you 3rd tier.
talent ain't all there is to it. the best very recent example is the delts coaches. they shoulda cautioned stuart to watch for an early sprint. and then they shouldve told him he hadto jump HARD--even sharp couldn't hold his backstretch speed all the way to the line.
Funny that you're assuming Delts coaches care about anything other than winning the race.
Not a huge fan of Delts coaches other than to say if you've never heard CB yell at someone you're missing one of the great experiences of a lifetime.
Acacia's 4th rider was 130th in ITT's and their 3rd was 96th. That's not second tier. If they are on the lead lap by the end I would be absolutely shocked, even if it was a slow race.
6:44 never too early to coach your riders for what may well happen on race day. ken looked stunned when sharp roared out of turn 2 and courtney didnt look happy after all was over. that suggests coaching lapse.
It's been done. The race is about heart not stats you pussy, otherwise we'd all get together and give the trophy to PDT, who again will NOT win. The race is about guts, period.
Am I the only one thinking when does Courtney ever look happy?
Yeah because AKAK already showed they have a ton of guts by posting blistering times of 2:36 and 2:40. Obviously they show the most heart out there by far
If you're saying that Fiji, AKAK and Theta Chi are 2nd tier you have to put Sigep in there as well. They have the fastest rookie who ITTed 5th which is faster than Bortzz, they also have a solid team surrounding him. They are right behind Theta Chi in spring series and ahead of Fiji. No question they should be in there as well.
And Cru, DSP, Air Force, Wright, Phi Psi, SNU...
There's only one z in Bortz 7:37
BTW we took fifth place in the race last year with the same riders as this year. Its ITT's who gives a shit.
And BOOM goes the Bortz!!!!
Sleeper this year: ZBT.
I heard the almost did a real exchange at practice today
way back at the beginning...someone thinks top ten in women's little 5 is a good record? man that was funny.
whoa. it took way to long to start talking about the men's race on this thread. let's focus people. even women's professional cycling gets less attention than the men's race
80 comments and no one has adjusted predictions for the men's race based on MnO.
Offs on Cutters got worse.
we need Anderson's graphs
Tell me what to think Eric. me stupid
SNU at 11:06, we all know...
Todd are you attempting to induce this post based on MnO performance?:
Cutters are finished! Depasse can't beat a SNU in a sprint, Schroder's year away has cost him ITT speed and ability to stay upright. Walsh is unproven and Nixon is a Hoosier Climber? transplant who MAY be on the Frat-$ to bring the program down from the inside. Sam is lacking his knock-about buddy Zach Lusk.... They are so desperate they had to fly King Eric in for moral support....
I'd be shocked if the Cutters aren't right there on race day. They're strong, they'll be fine.
Here's another chart for you: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12006576/MNOScoring.png
My numbers are slightly different from the IUSF ones because I don't know where everyone finished in their quarterfinal heats (just gave those people 15.1 points). I'm also not sure how to score the semis, since the handbook only has rules for an 8-person semi.
BKB was the only team with 3 in the semis, and likely would have improved their score if Rex had participated. Phi Delt, Cutters, Beta, BKB, and Delts were the only teams with at least 4 guys in the quarterfinals. Once again, looking like a 5-team race, with Sigma Chi/Theta Chi lurking in 6th/7th.
As for individual performances, only Diego Rodriguez (Dodds) was able to jump from an expected 1st round exit to the semis. Michael Khamis was the best performer of those expected to be eliminated in the quarters, riding his 40th seed all the way to last out in his semi.
18 guys who should have advanced out of the 1st round didn't. Biggest flops were Depasse (Cutters) and Kinn (BKB), but expecting the top 6 to all make the finals is ridiculous.
Practice race should be fun today, see you out there.
Great crunching the numbers but IUSF doesn't show a few things: what order people dropped, who didn't show up, who crashed out. Without that info there are gaps in the figures that make it nearly impossible to place teams in the middle of the field.
It is pretty obvious there's five teams that will be in it at the end on raceday. This is shaping up to be one hell of a race and you can't count any of those five teams out.
So what were the finishes for the practice races?
Expected teams there but I would swap acacia with Delts, delta couldn't stay with the leaders. Courtney looked ticked he yanked them out of the race. Not a contender in my book
Who won the practice race?
Didn't Delts crash in the practice?
How did the women do? Heard there weren't any wrecks?
They did crash they are way sketchy!
Cutters won the practice race. Depasse worked over Rafferty. Too bad SNU wasn't up there to contest him again.
Teter won, theta second. Fast pace, no wrecks, cru was there, Wing It, kappa delta, and DG. Sprint finish. Cutters for men.
Men's race started off pretty fast. Tailwind on the backstretch was an interesting change of pace, but it felt a lot like 2010 out there. Lots of cinders.
Everyone seemed to have their top 4/5 out there except Phi Delt. Bortz's pedal met Green's wheel around lap 7 or 8 which brought out the first yellow of the day. I got on and we were already a lap down but no other contenders were really affected. Pack was down to the low teens I would guess?
They let Laser go off the front and we had about 3/8 of our lap back when another crash took out Delts and a couple other teams. They worked with us for a lap or two before Courtney told them to stop riding. We got it up to a half lap by the mid 30's but then the pace picked up dramatically. With 8 to go the pack was down to Cutters, Sigma Chi, BKB, AKAK, and Phi Delt and they caught up to us (still lap down).
Pace was hot for the rest of the race. Walsh had a small gap on Rafferty for Depasse who joined the pack without having to do any work with 3 to go, but Sigma Chi/Phi Delt/AKAK had fallen off. Rafferty pulled the last two laps, Depasse just got around him by the end of the backstretch.
Kappa Delta was a lap down, far from being "in it". The women's practice was sloooww most laps were 40seconds or slower.
The men's race blew up because of the cautions, people flat out sprinted the caution laps. IUSF flaggers have no idea what the hell they are doing, typical. I would have to say most of the "finishing pack" was a lap down minus the teams listed in Eric's post. The pack consisted of a lot of "2nd tier teams" who had been caught by the leaders. 8-10 on the lead lap at most, about that many were only one lap down.
You guys see CSF exchanges? Sick
Why didn't phi delt ride their top riders? Where was sigma chi? Green wrecked again??
No clue why phi delt didn't have their top riders out there. I don't think Theta chi did either.
The race was incredibly unofficial, there were many teams that gunned it on a yellow to either make up time or get out ahead of the pack but there were 2 major packs at the end. The top one consisted of Cutters, BKB, Sig Chi, and Acacia. Second one was Sig Ep, Fiji, and CSF. Finishing in that order. There were more teams in the in the second pack but it was hard to tell who was who so if someone can fill in the rest that would be nice. I have no clue where Phi Delt finished, the only had Sharp and their 4th guy out there and I didn't see them finish. If anyone did fill them in. The race started off very quick ans the pace was hot almost all of the way. Beta crashed early and Delts crashed about half way through I would say.
Exactly why Delts won't win. They can try to disqualify people all they want, but they'll never win. Last year it was Eric, this year it's West. RJ is too worried thinking about everyone else while he's trying to fall asleep in his oxygen tent.
Sharp dropping the hammer on him all day.
-Roasted
Let's not start mixing up our stories now. It was Kiel who was so upset about Eric last year, I am not sure I remember hearing of Delt's taking any specific action against him, besides maybe adding to the audience to Kiel's soap box. It seems a lot of people want to make them out to be the bad guys, but don't give them more credit than they deserve.
Sojka is going to hell for what he did, luckily the little 5 gods can forgive him if he tells SNU where his po (edgar allen) stash is.
Rj and delts were at the meeting for disqualifying Eric last year. Bunch of babies
You can yell that at them when they put you a lap down this year.
Yeah, damn rule followers! I hate those guys. And they went to a meeting last year??? Those bastards. Definitely rotting in hell.
Wouldn't be little 5 without a bunch of worthless drama created by people who either aren't racing or people who will get dropped in their first set.
Oh and Lusk, your comments on Twitter are weak. Calling someone a "pussy" on twitter is pathetic. Pretty ironic that you can't even say it to his face. Don't you have a minimum wage job to go back to?
9:28 - "Oh and Lusk, your comments on Twitter are weak. Calling someone a "pussy" on twitter is pathetic. Pretty ironic that you can't even say it to his face. Don't you have a minimum wage job to go back to?"
He put his name behind it where as you did not. Quite hypocritical of you.
I agree with Zach, it is freaking weak that Sojka protested West. Yes, West was ineligible but on a minor fact. West has been a solid member of the Little 5 community and represents several of the positive aspects of the race (developing cyclists from within, instilling a passion for the event, wanting to improve and win the race, etc.). Those factors should have gone into the appeal process and probably did when they initially granted him eligibility. The appeals process is there for a reason and I commend Chris for taking the high road after Sojka filed an appeal that did not have to be filed. He won and that's fine, but it doesn't mean we have to like the action.
Then for Sojka to go in the paper and say it wasn't the team, it was just him says a lot about Delts. Paul you are the team, just like RJ is and just like Courtney is. I guess if you wreck on race day, you can tell the officials, don't count that lap I lost against Delts, that was just me.
Lusk is in PT school, and whether he's right or wrong about twitter comments, he of all people would probably not shy away from telling it to Soijka's face.
Everyone should realize that Sojka is nothing more tahn RJ's puppet in this situation. Those 6 hour Sunday rides with RJ in his ear got to him. Brainwash.
Little 5 is a better race because of guys like Eric Young and Chris West. Hard work is supposed to pay off...It's a shame that one lap during a qualification is enough for RJ to do something like this. This is a COMPETITIVE sport. Let the best riders ride or don't race.
If you can't beat the best, you're not a real champion.
-Gentleman's race
Who is this rider that told sojka to protest?
Cutters pit is next to delts on race day I'll tell everyone on delts they're pussies RJ. I know you saw it since you found it necessary to follow me so you should also know I'll be a doctor in three years.
BVN world let me riddle you this one: two years ago RJ made a resume and wrote that he not only trained with cutters but also won little five with them. A very gifted rider but what a two-faced poser.
Hankers - you are the man! Posers and shit.
I will give $500 to the first person that can get me a copy of that resume. I would like to frame it and put it up on the wall at Nick's.
If I were the Cutter's I would protest my pit neighbor. Speaking of that, can someone protest Courtney's eligibility. He was once ineligible, then deemed eligible. Seems ripe for a protest that he is again ineligible.
Courtney is the one who initiated the West deal, if anyone has an issue I would bring it up on race day or give him a call. I'm sure he would be happy to discuss it with you or simply give him a call!
Give me your email address then be ready to pay up, I accept cash or cash.
I still have a copy of it. Ha ha.
Good luck with that, that guy is Teflon, the Callipari of little 5.
I better get $100 clayton
clay-town, hankers.....do you know a guy named Vahon?
10:38 good thing lusk didnt have to tell sojkia anything last year cuz he couldnt catch him on race day!
That's funny because I punked him into pulling me around. And if you recall I'm pretty sure the cutters won so your comment makes absolutely zero sense.
^ This guy
I am actually amazed that there are cutters stooping to that level. In years past wouldn't make s big difference perhaps. But this year I think this is the wrong year to piss off Delts. Just sayin
Dr. Hank, didn't you say you were done with BVN? Looks like the ultimate image-conscious troll couldn't stay away... Enjoy your comment conversations with all your cutter has been's and never were's
Lots of talk from anonymous posters. At least I sign my name bit then again no one has probably heard of you anyways. And to reply to your comment about Has beens and never weres if you're on this site you more than likely rode too so instead of hiding come out and sign your name and show the world what you really got.
Derpa herp derp derp?
Hank is living a la la land. You were toasted and three bikes back at least.
You were punked by a rookie!
Great Hank is back, the angriness of all these posts are about to go up tenfold.
Why does everyone have such a hard on for Hank? He doesn't even ride anymore and is in grad school. Must have had some sort of influence on this event. And as previously noted above at least he states his name by his posts even though some are rather dumb
-Little 500 enthusiast
I heard DG and Theta are working together and Wing-IT and Teter are going to work together to drop those two. I think we saw this play out in the practice race.
^^ Check your facts. No one is going to be working with Teter, and you did not see this play out in the practice race since they were all together on lap 25.
Poor Teter isolated all on their own just like last year.
Hank is the most revolutionizing factor in little five even a year removed. The man has 3 rings and this board dies when he isn't posting. Gerant please write up an article on how awesome he is to start up pre race wars on bvn. He's a sucker and will have to comment if it's his article
-signed everyone and dick
How many teams real work together? Even if this plan real existed which I doubt it did, come race day it will all fall apart.
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