It's time for the annual and increasingly less well-informed Little 500 race odds. Not much change from the long odds reflecting it takes time for teams to emerge on the scene....Although for the first time in the history of the L5 odds the Cutters are not alone at No1! Let battle commence under the lights on Friday evening.
Womens Little 500- April 20th 7pm
Teter- 3/2 fav. A certain Theta rider has halted their total domination but they are the most complete team. Will probably look to break it open to avoid a sprint finish.
Kappa Alpha Theta- 4/1. Kath Chelminiak is the fastest rider on the track and the team did a good job in TP. Will they have the depth to deal with the Teter onslaught that will surely arrive?
Wing-it- 8/1. Three good ITTs performances makes for a solid team. However have they the ability to blow it up or win a sprint?
Delta Gamma- 10/1. Another solid group with an excellent recent pedigree. Doogs is a top 3 ITTer but Philips hasn't quite ridden to her freshman potential (the Sovinski effect). The youngest Loebig must be motivated to show a winners medal to her sisters!
Kappa Kappa Gamma- 12/1. Good coaching, a top 6 ITTer and great pedigree. Always top 5 but can they really win?
Kappa Delta- 12/1. Two top 20 ITTers and the coaching experience of a recent win. Getting into the realms of a real surprise if they were to win. Top 3 as a ceiling.
Alpha Gamma Delta- 18/1. Anyways there but winning chances left with Balchan last year.
CRU cycling- 20/1. Would be delighted with a top 5 position
Army Cycling- 20/1. Top 3 last year but with a lot of experience to replace even with a strong qual. Their TP was a touch worrying.
The Field- 30/1. All other teams will be pleased with top 10, delighted with a top 5.
Mens Little 500. April 21st 2pm.
Phi Delta Theta- 4/1 co-fav. Sharp is the joint-fastest guy on the track, they lose a little without West yet showed in TP they are ready. Have been the aggressors the past two years but with arguably the best sprinter will they have a different strategy this year? Will carefully watch the laps this year.....
Delta Tau Delta- 4/1 co-fav. RJ Stuart is a best rider on or off the track but are DTD too reliant on him? As usual I would expect a wait-and-see strategy with RJ trying to break it open late in the race. DTDs have ridden above their abilities in recent years and if they can again, they could very well win.
Cutters- 4/1 co-fav. They have to still be favoured with all their experience. Not sure who make the team (info please...) but Walsh recently won a good road race. Depasse and Nixon are going well yet Schroeders results suggest he's a little off the boil. However his previous 2 rings have come from a supporting role...can he step up to lead this year?
Beta Theta Pi- 5/1. 2012 has been the year of Beta! Four good riders gave an excellent TP. Some doubts about their ability to ride in a straight line and won't win a sprint so will need to break it up to win. The question is whether they want to win or will be happy with top 3?
Black key Bulls- 8/1. A very solid squad who showed well in TP and throughout the spring. Experience behind the scenes but have been found lacking on race day in the past few years. Can they put it all together this year. Again, like Beta will they be happy with a top 3?
Sigma Chi- 12/1. Two excellent riders but the TP was a worry. Wasn't aware Tom S had left their side and whatever you think, he is an overall benefit. Will likely be able to hang with the leaders so who knows what might happen. Morrow is a fighter for sure!
Theta Chi- 14/1. Really stepped up their speed this year after just outside the top ten in 2011. Good to see that level of progression and a good top ten may put them in a position to truly compete next year. They could be there at the end and then who knows....
Sigma Phi Epsilon- 16/1. Don't know anything about these guys but Torrance did a great ITT and the TP was solid. Look good on paper but inexperience may cost them in the race.
Acacia- 16/1. Unspectacular in ITTs but returning a full team from a top 5 in 2011. Will they be happy with the same this year or can Bortz propel them higher?
FIJI- 16/1. Desperate for a win and they think they can do it. Pride comes before a fall but you have to aim high right? Top 5 would be a good result.
The Field- 20/1. The Mens field always throws up a surprise or two so don't count out Delta Chi, SNU, DSP, CSF, CRU, Kap Sig to make the top ten. No winners in that group though....
Please let me know how wrong I am. Very jealous I won't be there to see it all occur but can't wait for 2013!
8 years ago
125 comments:
Come on GP the odds are no fun unless you pick a single team to win it! Close as it may be you gotta be willing to put your neck on the line for whoever you think will be drinking milkshakes on April 21st.
Delts, Cutters, Beta, PDT,Acacia
What's the over/under on Bortz riding 160 laps? Dude is a man amongst boys.
Phi Delts are the clear favorite. Give it to them! They have depth and the fastest sprinter. Sure RJ is fast & might have a good chance in the sprint but he will ride a bulk of the laps and will be much more fatigued than Sharp. If teams are smart (especially Phi Delt) they will make it hard and fast as soon as RJ is off of the bike with guys like Sven & Jake. If Delts are eliminated from the lead lap, Phi Delts chances are very good for victory. It is very apparent that the other Delts are lacking form - what happened to Nick Lenord? He rode a great race in 2010 but seems to be lacking whatever he had then.
Not sure what happened to Sigma Chi in team pursuit? Maybe they are fatigued from their secret training. I heard they have Robbie Ventura coaching them. If that is true, they are in for a rough race day. L5 is not like a road race and Robbie will have them worn out.
Beta will suprise all. Top 3 is a lock assuming they don't have crashes but I'd also say they have a good chance at victory. Seems like there is alot of hate on here for them but they are legit. They are an unknown & unproven in recent years. But this is a new year & I would put their odds at the same as Cutters (yes I know that sounds crazy)
I would still give the edge to the Cutters, you can't deny their heritage and the incredible source of knowledge that goes into their training. They know how to win and they prove that year after year. A very very close second is PhiDelt, who has shown how deep and versatile their team is, very impressive. With that, and the burning desire to redeem themselves from 2011 they will be a force to be reckoned with. Beta has the talent to win and a solid top 3 is (almost) expected as long as they stay upright. Rj is a machine and while he is out there will put many people in pain, hard to discount Delts but their depth is in question, if they can hang on RJ's wheel lap after lap of 33 second laps they can stay on PhiDelt and Cutters just the same.
Top ten will more than likely NOT include CSF or KapSig. KapSig is a young team showing a lot of promise but that inexperience will cost them laps. CSF is in for a long day of short sets and exchanges. SNu has experience behind them, but will their lack of fitness show through late in the race?
SigEp and ThetaChi both have a very strong chance of walking away with a top 5, they have looked impressive all year for being considered "2nd tier teams"
What are some long shots for top ten teams?
Are the cutters being neighborly by defending and stroking delts on this blog all week or looking to cook something up from the back side of the track?
How are people questioning Delts depth after they won tp?
RJ looked strong along with the rest of them. Should be interesting between them pdt and beta. Cutters will disappoint and sig chi is a joke.
Anyone wearing aero helmets in tp shouldn't be taken seriously. You need that to pull 3-4 laps? It might save you .005sec!
Their depth is being questioned because one guy pulled the entire way confirming what we already knew that they have a very strong first rider
I'd take Delts 2/1 phi delts 3/1 faves, cutters should be back with beta and bkb
he didn't pull the entire way. not by a long shot
dick is head and shoulders above the field. question is whether or not he'll be there at lap 200. if so, nobody else has a chance
I agree with almost all race predictions here. To break the ties I would have PDT winning, Cutters, then Delts.PDT is just too deep, it is their race to lose this year. While cutters aren't the obvious favorite they always seem to be right there, their bike experience and strategy is unparalleled. Definitely a shot to win. Delts are the wild card here. They did not perform well in ITT's besides RJ but absolutely tore it up in TP. If they can keep RJ fresh until the end they could definitely win, again, its just hard to tell exactly how fit the rest of their guys are. For the next tie breaker I think it goes Sig Ep, Acacia, and Fiji. Greg Bortz is incredibly fit but will have to do a large amount of work for his team, I know he said ITTs don't matter but I think their 3rd and 4th guys will really hurt them.
Sig Chi had an embarrassing TP but will be ready come race day. Someone should tell them to lose the aero helmets or go way faster. You don't show up to TP with aero helmets and get lapped.
As it is Little 5 lots can happen, the only team that I think could recover from a crash would be PDT just due to depth. With that quite a few teams could squeeze into the top 5 and 10. If theta chi and Sig Ep stay out of trouble top 5 would definitely happen. Teams that I think have a shot at top 10 are DSP, Cru, SNU, and maybe AEPi. Again, a lot will depend on crashes this year so as soon as lap 50 hits all of this is shot to shit.
you can't even count sig ep akak and fiji in the same class as beta sigma chi and bkb. might as well throw sigma pi and kappa delta rho in too. bortz might be good, but his teammates will put them laps down. same with sig ep and fiji. beta's at least got a MNO finalist and supporting riders who can stick with the pack.
it's hard to pick anyone but teter for the women's race. chelminiak is fast but if they're not able to stay with the leaders it's only good for 2nd
2012 Delts = 2006 ATO from what it sounds like: ITT winner & MNO runner-up w/ porn star name, starting on inside, previous year mistakes with something to prove, now all they have to do is lap the field.
It looks like it is a 2 team race with Delts and Phi Delts. We know about Sharp and RJ, anyone have any info on the other riders on these teams?
Who will be riding in the race for the Cutters? They have a lot of guys in the top 25 and could team together and pull off a win the same way they did in 2008.
Cutters riders will be DePassee, Nixon, Harbison, and Walsh
First, I agree with some of the initial comments that it pretty weak predicting three teams as the favorites. Even though there are three teams that are very close to one another.
I've said it since after last year's race. Until someone beats the Cutters, they are the favorites.
After that, I think Delts have the best shot at winning with Phi Delts a close third. I know Sharp won miss-n-out in very impressive fashion, but to me, RJ is the big man on the track.
Just setting the line as I see it, very little to call between the teams. It's for the public to move the true odds..... But from the few comments so far it's an even split between the three teams.
If forced I may lean Cutters then PDT then Delts probably because it's been sooo long since anyone else won it. RJ and Steve may be good they don't hold the fear Leukens or Hans had...the only teams/riders to beat in the Cutters since 2003! Apologies to Sam for not mentioning him in the Cutters team... solid rider, not gonna let them down on race day!
I think the women's race could be very interesting! On paper Teter and Theta appear to be the stronger teams but I could see Wing It holding with those two and making things mighty interesting with 20 laps to go.
It is clear Chelminiak is the class of the field for a sprint but how much work will she have to do to keep Theta in it till the end. Teter might want it to come to a sprint because they can on paper keep Hutch fresher longer.
Dark Horse pick is Wright Cycling for the top 10. Had a poor showing at TP but was one of the early teams on a very wet track. ITT- had some good showings according to the break down produced in this site.
Who is PDT's fourth rider going to be?
Who was the random PDT guy that showed up to Team Pursuit and hung on? Is he in the house? I've never seen him before or heard of him
RJ Stuart only pulled 23.5 laps out of a total of 30 laps.
Cutters jersey color since 04.
04: White
05: yellow
06: white
07: white
08: yellow
09: yellow
10: yellow
11: yellow
12: yellow.
They won a green jersey and some more white in there as well.
4th PDT rider is Bruce Dallas...skinny little guy, needs to hit the weight room.
-SNU
Uhhhh, So what?
10.45- Not sure why that is relevant to anything but it serves to make me ask..
'CAN SOMEONE ELSE PLEASE WIN THE FECKING RACE'?
Delts, period!
McClary will help FiJi reclaim its rightful title
particularly with Tommeke Cox's puppeteering
Wait, I don't see Bruce in any of the results? What is pdt pulling here?
The dude probably just got snuck on the team to replace West. Is he in any way actually affiliated with their house?
I heard the pdt 4th is chi chi lightinig
Yea, Chi Chi (aka Bruce) was given a bid on Friday and was initiated on Saturday. His pledgeship was two days longer than all of the Delts riders.
and his PRO contract is in the mail.....
His contract is post-dated for April 22nd. Well played PDT, distract everyone with Chris West and bring the ringer in the back door. Looks like the odds need to be adjusted.
Is this really true about PDT? Their fall pledge class was awhile ago and the spring class is yet to be initiated. That is super shady
someone should check with Delts nationals about RJ's pledgeship and whether he's actually a member or not. then protest a la sojka
Chi Chi will be signing autographs before the race.
@12:37 Yeah I heard Phi Delts like it in the back door
Chi chi's Domestiques will be serving hors d'oeuvres
chi chi might know how to count to 200. phi delts don't have a chance
chichi says GO CUTTERS
Who the fuck is chi chi? And who is Bruce?
depasse is coming back for a 5th year. make it 7 in a row for cutters
At the end of the day, Delts and Theta have the same problem, not enough depth.
Teter on the women's side ran away with fall and spring series and seems to be far and away the most complete team on and off paper.
PDT and Cutters are the deepest mens teams, but the edge must go to the Cutters because of pedigree and coaching.
Look for the Yellow jerseys to stay right where they are.
Nice job IDS with those team pursuit quotes. Luke on pdt. Ha
Repeat of '10 and '11 for men's and women's winners....
Seems the real question is the order of the top five on either side. First place is all tied up.
If Delts didn't have depth why were they able to hang with the fastest guy on the track?
hanging on a wheel does not equal attacking, being attacked, or handling your bike in a pack. delts will not win. period.
The Teter girls were accused of the same thing the last 2 years with their team Pursuit Team hanging on CVK's wheel. If they can sit in with the winning team, they have a shot especially if RJ rides 100 laps and feels good. If he does 120+ laps, he probably won't have the gas at the end.
I'll bet RJ doesn't ride more than 80 laps. Honestly, I think he'll ride 60-70.
NO WAY!!!!!! Their other riders suck!!!!! He will be on the bike all day, like 120 - 140 laps. He has NO support.
comparing the other Teter riders last year to the other Delts riders this year is like comparing a major league team to a minor league team. The other delts suck. its RJ and everyone else. He may be a dick, but that little man is the best little5 rider this year. The other delts may not even be on the race day team for PDT, Cutters, BKB or Beta.
4:39. You seem to make a good point however, people were actually saying the Teter girls couldn't keep up until they actually rode the race.
The Teter girls were placed 9th, 25th, and 53rd in ITT's last year behind Caitlin and seemingly vulnerable.
Delts 2-4 are arguably better than any of the previous 4 years, and they haven't had any problems hanging with the pack during those years. I wouldn't be terribly worried, Courtney/Ken's teams always race better than their ITT's might suggest.
I agree with Todd on how many laps RJ will ride. Just because there 3-4 riders won't break the pack apart while they are in there, I don't see them having trouble staying on the lead team's wheel.
I'm having trouble with some of this talk about Delts being weak behind Rj. Looking at the ITT results Delts number two was 12th in ITTs and a half second from 5th place and is able to push the pace. Their number three was 29th, which although nothing to write home about means he won't just be rode away from in the race. In addition, those 2 and 3 riders showed twice on Saturday they could hold on to the fastest wheel on the track for 15 laps, which seems like more than you can say for everyone else out there.
You all are just fueling the other Delts riders fire. Come race day it will all be there. Look for them to break from tradition and make the race their own
What freaking tradition?
not sure why so many pick cutters over delts on the basis of their "strength". i watched cutters tp. twice the 2 and 3 riders had to yell at kevin to slow down. you can argue whether kevin is faster than rj or rj faster than kevin. but as was pointed out the delts 2 and 3 riders could hang with rj for all 15 laps when they turned in a 9:11.
RJ faster than Kevin? Kevin faster than RJ? Neither are faster than Sharp!
Throw Bruce Dallas in the mix and that track is on fire when PDT decides the get it up.
I can't believe Phi Delt was able to lure that kid. No wonder yet didn't raise a stink about the West infraction. That was all white noise and a distraction for the field...little did everyone know they were bringing in a ringer 4th!
I heard Bruce Dallas once fathered an entire Little League tream!
I heard Phi Delt turned the entire cold dorm into an altitude tent for Bruce Dallas to sleep in. They were going to use a single room, but Bruce needed the room for all his lady friends.
Well Cutters have 2 guys at Kevin's speed, so they are very dangerous. he was just not having a good day Sat but you can expect 2 Cutter guys at the top with RJ and Sharp and his deep team. If it's a sprint and Sharp is rested he will win. If it's a blown up last 12 laps Cutters will win. If it's a breakaway, it would probably be RJ but Cutters would try to cover it immediately unless they are off that day. I only see Beta winning on a sneak move with everyone watching eachother. Honestly, no other team has a chance unless a wreck occurs.
The way Cutters rode Saturday and only losing by 4 seconds is remarkable. They waited for 4 seconds on the last lap when their 3rd guy thought it was over.
Depasse looked fasttt
So sounds as though the Cutters had a bad TP.... very familiar from 3(?) years ago when Clayton had to push Zach to the finish and they still finished in the top 5. Cutters are good at looking bad but riding fast. Beware on race day.....
Bruce Dallas is good at looking good!
Depasse has been off form for a while. Disappointing all around in spring series considering what was expected from him. Cutters will need all the coaching and experience to keep them around because they simply do not have the talent.
PDT and Sharp will be strong and I'm looking forward to it coming down to him and RJ. RJ could ride the entire race and still put out a solid sprint so I wouldn't worry about how many laps he has done. The Delts supporting cast is decent enough to save his legs.
Beta is the only team with an outside shot. Kraggie won't have the legs to last the whole race but maybe Green and Laser will pull something out.
Bruce please shut up. I'm trying to watch Beastly right now and you are killing my spirits
Bruce Dallas?
PDT is making up a rider because they're scared? Will Bruce Dallas come in on lap 199??? Or has someone on this team figured out how to count to 200?
I heard if you drop a record player needle on Bruce Dallas's nipple is plays Back Home Again in Indiana.
@7:30pm
You must have missed the posts about Depasse waiting up for his team a few times while only missing the finals by 4 seconds. Series events from 2 weeks ago mean nothing if hes riding as fast as anyone on Saturday. If he sucked at Team Pursuit, then they should be worried but he was their fastest guy easily.
C-U-T-T-E-R-S all day long. They want this one worse than last year.
BKB and Phi Delt lap the field again. for good this time
Teams listed that will not crack the top ten:
Delta Chi, fastest man for them ran a 2:35, then 2:36 and a weak showing in team pursuit. Since McDermott left they are without that strong top rider that it takes to compete.
Sigma Nu, A lack luster performance in Team pursuit outlines their failing team chemistry and work ethic. Mediocre ITT's from their "star riders" during Power Hour, possibly the slowest times seen in Power Hour. They barely broke the top ten last year with basically the same crew, maybe the experience factor will save the day?
CSF, their quals were possibly a fluke, on a day any team could have rode into the top 5 with solid exchanges. ITT's late in the evening were below par and can't be blamed on the strong headwinds seen early in the day. Their fastest rider a mere 2:31. Look for them to finish between 12&20.
Kappa Sigma,
Young team with a lot of promise, next year. Losing much of their senior leadership from their team last year has cost them. They looked sound in TP but their ITT's show no real standouts. They could play a wildcard and hang in there for a decent finish.
Teams that SHOULD finish top ten (bubble teams):
DSP, Showed they have what it takes to ride a wheel and keep it together in TP. Tobias put down one of the most impressive ITT runs of the day with a 2:27 in 16+mph winds. Only an unfortunate wreck would prevent them from a top ten.
Cru,
Have shown at the track they can hold a wheel in the pack and a SOLID run with Bidner's ITT in the heavy winds. Look for them to stick around and make a run at those few remaining top ten spots.
AEPi,
Lyle has them doing the right things and they showed consistency in TP. Their first lap was far from stellar, but showed poise and didn't panic with a PhiDelt team closing in. No real standout times in ITT's but those early winds made a lot of riders look mediocre. More than likely a 10-15 team but with some luck things might go their way.
Cutters, PDT, BKB, Beta, Delts, Sigma Chi, and for the most part Theta Chi, SigEp, and Acacia have locked in top ten spots barring a crash or two there isn't much room for other teams to sneak in. The real battles are spots 1-3 and 8-12. This will be an exciting race for sure.
Now that is sort of analysis usually lacking from these comments. Excellent knowledge!
Don't cry, just ask why and try not to die as I take you throw a ghetto niggas lullabye.
Makaveli
Quick Run-Down:
CSF, Fiji, SNU, DU, Lambda Chi and DSP will all be relatively easy to dislodge by keeping the pace fast for the first 150 laps. Sig Ep and Theta Chi are a different story. They have 1/2 good riders and their 3/4 are pretty deep as well.
Beta, BKB, Phi Delt, Cutters, Delts are all deep. Also difficult to predict what their strategies will be. Will they try tomake the race difficult for each other? Or will they all be simply trying to eat lapsand then hope their sprinter can win?
Judging from Beta’s performance last year (see 2011 race tape) they will attack,attack, attack. They seem to have no real stand-out sprinter, so I think that Beta will
keep the race fast.
Sig Chi seems to have at least one week link (insert their 3/4 are trash) but Morrow is a really good rider.
Not sure what Phi Delt will do. Could see them attacking since they are so strong – but they do also have the best sprinter. I think they’ll bide their time til later in the race.
I think Cutters will have to attack more than they have in previous years. They don’t
have a guaranteed finisher like they used to. Watch for lots of trixy shit with them(fake exchanges, etc.). They don’t win because they’re the best, they win because they’re the smartest.
Delts looks like they have an advantage to me. RJ is a beast and will probably try to rip the field apart at some point. He will ride
a massive first set – he did 35+ laps to start the race last year. Sojka (the tall one?)
can do some impressive stuff too. Lenard (the kindly black-haired tall, skinny kid) is
probably their weak link.
I think they’ll ride more conservatively than the other favorites, and try to deliver
RJ to the last 10 laps relatively fresh so that he can solo for the win. RJ can’t ride the
whole thing himself, and if he gets away – there will definitely be enough fire power
behind the break to reel him in. I think they bide their time.
-someone who knows whats going on
What could possibly happen:
1. Phi Delt
2. Cutters
3. Delts
4. Beta
What I wish would happen:
1. Fiji
2. Acacia
3. Sig Chi
4. Phi Delt
What will actually happen:
1. Cutters- Great coaching and strong tradition on their side. You cant knock them off the top until it actually happens.
2. Beta- Has actually showed up ready to go these past 3 years. If they attack and stay afloat I think they can be there in the end.
3. Phi Delt- Overall a solid team. I think they need to be SMART during the race and not shoot themselves in the foot like previous years.
4. Delts- RJ is one of the top riders in the race and his supporting cast is average. If the other Delt riders can stay in the pack and not pull a single lap... and set up RJ for the last couple laps, could be interesting.
Not sure if Hans quote from last years race tape is true but if the person that wins ITT's is on the lead lap at 199, they win the race 100% of the time.
With that said, PDT and others will exercise their depth to dislodge Delts or at least make RJ suffer. I don't think PDT needs to worry about to many other teams outside of Delts. Cutters maybe, Sigma Chi maybe, but Phi Delts can beat both of those teams 10 times out of 10.
2:09 - "Cutters maybe, Sigma Chi maybe, but Phi Delts can beat both of those teams 10 times out of 10."
You might want to tone that down a bit. The only ten you should be referencing is that it has been more than ten years since PDT won last. I don't see that changing.
This years race will be very different than previous years due to the mild winter. More teams trained in Jan-Feb than ever before. This will likely lead to a bigger pack later into the race, more crashes, & quicker overall pace.
We have trained to race extremely hard from lap 1 & we will do so come Saturday. There is no point in training your tail off all year to sit in & wait for the sprint. Suddenly those long, hard training days in the winter have little benefit if you just sit in all day.
Good luck to all of the mens & womens teams competing.
Fowler
Did someone ask for Todd's thoughts?
Todd: I'm not 100% sure (and someone please correct me), but I believe four of the last ten years Phi Delt's weren't even on campus. They finished 2nd the last two, so that leaves four years of possible mediocre results.
PDT hasn't won in more than 10 years, that is a fact. I said nothing about mediocre results. I'll gladly oblige though because there is plenty of data on that subject.
2:32PM - You must be new here if you think I need to be asked for my input.
#13
Are you referring to your own mediocre results as a little five rider Todd? Plenty of data on that.
If two races is plenty of data, then yes. I know that 7th place finish we put up is "terrible". It's all relative though.
I always hated Todd until this year and now I love that asshole. Keep up your commenting. It keeps things fresh.
Yep - him and Hank are a real hoot! Throw Woj in the mix and you have a good ol'three ring circus.
Go Cutters! Greek system sucks. Pay all of riders expenses all year, professional coaches, bikes, gear and Illegally get them inside the house as members but still can't best the cutters.
Shut up geed. Sorry we didn't give you a bid. Sucks to suck.
Bruce Dallas showers in grain alcohol.
Why wasn't Bruce Dallas on your final four card?
Bruce Dallas is the final four card.
is BKB a frat or other?
Bunch a hick geeds
- FRAT
6:34PM - I intend to keep it up, but I disagree with the ass hole status. I never say anything but the truth.
sometimes that make you exactly that which you dispute. however, that's not necessarily a bad thing...
anon 7:45 wishes he could've been on CUTTERS and WON SOMETHING. instead he gets to wake up to a beer shower and be 2nd best to a cutter
Since when are beer showers a bad thing?
This is not the year to be on the Cutter bandwagon. Sketch, Scrat, and the 2 ambiguously bi- curios fat SOBs will not be in the top 5. Cutters have fielded non athletes for the first time in almost a decade. All the kings horses, and all the kings rings won't be able to supply them with enough O2 past lap 125. Wait and see.
Real question is if RJ is going to pull cutters back up to the lead if they go down like he did last year. What a stupid move.
Also, just putting this out there but Courtney Bishop should be banned from all little 5 events. That dude is so ass backwards with his agendas. First it was fundraising for TMT. A name in which he didn't have rights to. Using a black athlete to push his pursuit of embezzlement. Then it was supporting cutters in a really stupid move in 2011. Who knows what this guy is going to do next. Be ready to see him on the track with signs that mean absolutely nothing to anyone. I am still confused on how he became associated with little 500. This dude is not part of the community.
Back off my Acacia brother CB! I think he and Ken have done a pretty amazing job with TMT and Delts. Only one more successful group over the years and thats Cutters. "Dude" is a a staple in the L5 wouldn't be the same without that crew. Where would anyone get off suggesting someone need explain there little 5 association. He is a frat guy, and former L5 rider. You don't explain anything. Love ya bro! an if you can get us a, say, $300,000 Adidas/Cannondale endorsement for a next years squad that would rock. I would use one word to describe CB, smart. Don't hate the player.
funny that CB and schwags are both AKAKs but don't coach them
> This is not the year to be on the Cutter bandwagon. >Sketch, Scrat, and the 2 ambiguously bi- curios fat >SOBs will not be in the top 5. Cutters have fielded non >athletes for the first time in almost a decade. All the >kings horses, and all the kings rings won't be able to >supply them with enough O2 past lap 125. Wait and >see.
Whether you agree with the sentiments, this is the best comment in BVN history. Funny yet totally untrue!
Courtney Bishop's TEAM will win little 5 some day.
If you think he is really going to get a little 500 team a $300,000 contract you are out of your fucking mind. You are not only drinking the cool-aid you are drowning in it. Get real.
You are clearly clueless, somebody back me on this but I am pretty sure he and ken raise at least that in gear for TMT back in the day. But is was a Nike/Trek/ and Cannondale product deal? May have the companies wrong but that was the word on the street.
And what with all the CB love from CUTTERS????
Jim loves all creatures, even mice and spiders.
@ 11:16 Courtney's been there done, that where were you? Must be new to town. You might need a mop for all the Cool Aid you spilled. Would love to pick that guys brain on how he did it.
gee 830, what were delts to do? they're the only contender down TWO laps so they could either pack it in and race for nth place or try to gain laps.
yea, they pulled cutters back while trying to get back to the leaders. but turn it around. let cutters chase and delts suck wheel. big deal, they gain one lap. now they're still a lap down on the leaders and racing for nth place.
duh.
Oh yeah it was really cool to see the cutters win again. Glad that delts pulled them to another victory. What morons. Any frat team out there should have been teaming up to whoop on the CUTTERS.
Is anyone else sick of them winning?
FRATTTT
he paid tuition, got them free trek madones, kits, equipment, and had a team car that was plastered in TMT... what's the total on that? $15K/rider in tuition, $5K/bike, $1K in gear, times 4-5 riders = what, like $80-$100K, plus $20K in the car?
I heard that kids never got a tuition. What happened to Ali? Didn't he get recruited by TMT and promised some money? I don't think that guy ever finished school. Tough situation for him. Better yet what happened to TMT?
Who drove the car, who owned the gear? Where is it all now? Repossessed?
It's cool that he could be making some money off of college kids... If you are into that kind of thing.
If you are new to little 5 don't comment on things you dont know anything about. You just sound foolish.
And no I am not condoning the old TMT, but hell I wish I could have been on it. Some were promised tuition, but mostly they just got housing, bikes and gear. I was in a frat and got nothing of the sort. Fundraised and got free gas to Florida everything else paid for by part time jobs.
Officially in 2005 - 2008 Nike had 2 officially sponsored cycling teams, Discovery Channel and IU's TMT? Crazy but right from a Nike reps mouth. @ 1055 you are way off on amounts, I remember trying to figure out how much gear they were rockin back then, I would say 40k per guy per year multiple trek madones plus fixies, insane, but I would have been on board, we rolled up on them in the forest once with like 10 extra bikes on TMT mobile, still only 2nd
That's all BS!
Whatever happened to the lawsuit when Major Taylor's family sued Courtney and Courtney sued them back?
I assume it got thrown out for lack of evidence because Courtney did nothing wrong. He was helping young african americans get an education and get more diversity on the track. It was IUSF's fault that they allowed this to happen until someone called out IUSF regarding the scholarships.
It must have been dismissed as well as his counter suit. He is currently the president at Major Taylor Sports Marketing according to Linked In.
Can anyone just take a famous dead person and start a foundation to raise a lot of money? Sounds like a plan!
@12:24 BS huh? www.shawnrochephoto.com (see the Nike tab) pics worth 1000 words. Boom!
Ha! And someone said Courtney doesn't belong in the community. What else would there be to talk about? The last decade of the race has been all about the cutters, followed by Courtney year in and year out
http://www.shawnrochephoto.com/advertising/nike/
if he wasn't paying tuition...then why did IUSF try to ban him from the race? it was because he WAS paying tuition and that was an infraction according to the rules. duh
Those pictures are such a joke. What a bunch of shit.
Hans' comment about the itt winner winning 100% of the time when he is on the lead lap at 199 is entirely inaccurate. 1998 had a 6 up sprint including Gensheimer who set an itt record that year. Cutters won. I am sure there are more examples. RJ is strong, and anything can happen in this race. In 2006 nobody would have guessed Hans would have lapped the field solo by lap 40. That's what makes this race so damn great!
Since the Cutters didn't win in 1998, you might want to check your facts.
At least someone is paying attention. How could I forget it was the GOB from Dodds who won in 98!
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