Spring 2012 Road Schedule:
February 25/26 Lindsey Wilson
March 3/4 Mizzou
March 17/18 Lindenwood (also part of NCCCC season)
March 24/25 Ohio State
March 31/April 1 Michigan/Michigan State
April 7 Marian (with Easter April 8)
April 14/15 Purdue
April 21/22 Notre Dame (Regionals)
As seems every year, regionals clashes with Little 5. Got to get those points early if any As wish to travel with IU (or solo) to Utah for Nationals! Any team who is Spring Breaking in South Dakota (or similar area) can maybe call in on Lindenwood on the way home!
8 years ago
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how is the old IUCC looking this year? any hope for nationals?
that's an interesting question. if i'm not mistaken everyone who scored points/went to nationals last year graduated right? losing young definitely doesn't help IUCC's chances...
RJ and Atwell are about all the hope they have.
atwell graduated. RJ will never leave IU.
so basically they are screwed. i hear west is the new prez, maybe he'll turn it around
How does the IUCC president allow the conference to schedule regionals the same weekend as little 500. It takes the IU team completely out of the picture to win a conference championship. It benefits the MWCCC and IUCC if they choose a different weekend. Way more racers equals more entry fees for the host school and more competition for the Marian and the rest of the teams trying to win a conference championship.
Have Little 500 riders stopped using IUCC racing as training? Where are the faster guys and gals that can compete at national championships? It didnt seem that long ago IU was going top 5 at nationals and winning the MWCCC.
somehow i doubt the newbs knew what was going on
are there any A's riders left?
"How does the IUCC president allow the conference to schedule regionals the same weekend as little 500."
i would think that iucc, who has not hosted a road event in over a decade, may not have a lot of pull with mwcc. heck, iucc is averaging just one post a month on their blog. Maybe tom and bri should have "taken over the club".
A's squad will be hurting without Young but should see some success. RJ, dewart, renjay (?), eric anderson, pdt dudes west, sharp, sven if they decide to race, and if the cutters let depasse, harbison, walsh, and patches race i think you could see a pretty strong team
dick renjay and dewart are the only ones who might step up out of those guys. the other guys are mediocre cat 3 level (cat 3 LEVEL, not necessarily cat 3) riders at best
The guys that placed high in Nationals many times were not very good at Little 5 and vice versa. Young probably could have won the crit but would have trouble in the road race with only Little 5 training. I'm sure now he could get top 5 in the road race and win the crit. Hans, Woj and all those little 5ers had trouble because they had just raced and had not done too many hills in the month prior. IU should crush the TT though if they got a good group together. This tall kid back in the 90's that weighed like 135 lbs couldn't pedal a Little 5 bike to save his life and got 10th at Nationals twice in a row.
What does "cat 3 LEVEL" as opposed to cat 3 level. I think if you're a 3 there is probably a good chance you are a 3. And I'm pretty sure West is a two so um yeah.
-Patches
Cat 3 in california has a faster average pace than Indiana for instance and bigger fields. maybe that's what they meant? not saying it means anything.
reading between the lines, i think it means they suck. and patches is included in the cat 3 "level"
You're severely underestimating Patches.
crashmaster patch
3 ring, cat 3 race winner Patch.
collegiate cycling = l5. nice one. oh wait
2 rings Patch not 3 yet.
you just jealous boy
really? oh really? oh patches...
I know how many he has.
Nice to see someone busting out "the tall kid in the 90's that weighed 135 lbs." That was Alistair Sponsel that went top 10 in the road race at nationals 2 years in a row.
yep, never heard of him.
"yep, never heard of him." That statement pretty much explains why Indiana university cycling is not even close to being a factor on the national scene. It's all about little 5 and bike racing doesn't mean as much. I remember in the 90's when there was at least 20 category 1 and 2 riders in btown and many of them were on the iu team.
and iu doesn't give out scholarships like marian does
not to mention the helpful alumni telling riders that little 5 is more important
As an alumni from the days when IU was a collegiate powerhouse, I have followed IUCC’s progress since graduating over 10 years ago. The last proactive president of the club was Kevin Moore. Since then the leadership and organization have been pretty bad. With a total 7 blog posts so far this year including this one: "This core group is going to work extremely hard throughout the year to ensure that IUCC and it's members have the resources it needs to reach it's full potential and have a successful 2011-2012 season", it looks like IUCC is going to be more about promises again.
First, it needs to detach itself from IUSF. How about having an advisor who was actually a successful collegiate rider and still races. Having the IUSF Little 500 race director as your advisor makes no sense. Jordan is a great guy, but is he really the best advisor? Someone like Tom Cox should be your advisor. The same goes for the new alumni coaching board. It is a great idea, but how many of those people have agreed to devote hands-on time to the club. Doesn’t Hamilton live in Colorado now?
Back in the “old days”, when the road schedule was announced, we met to go over travel, training, look at the competition, discuss race strategy so that we showed up at each race as a prepared, unified team. This is what should be happening right now. I hear stories about how what women there were for Track Nationals quit a week before the competition.
And maybe someone can tell me why the club has two “Safety Officers” and no “Alumni Correspondent”? You have alumni who have done so much to help this team and then on this blog, you claim they want to take over the club. As one person posted here a day or two ago, maybe Bri should have. She was part of a coordinated effort that resulted in a 2nd place finish in Indy in 2006 and multiple championship jersey’s for IU. Instead of wishing that you were Eric Young, why not have a club that helps and inspires riders to be as competitive as Eric Young.
Look at other successful clubs for ideas and inspiration. There is none better than UC-Boulder. Check them out.
http://www.cucycling.com/events.php, http://www.cucycling.com/contact.php
Here is a clip from their membership page.
“Meetings are generally Monday evenings at 7:00pm in Engineering ECCR 265. Membership dues ($150/year) allow the team to grow and prosper - covering administrative costs, allowing us to bring speakers to our meetings, and assisting the racers in travel costs. Without dues we wouldn't be able to hear about proper biking nutrition, or rent vans and trailers to transport a well-rested 40 racers the 8 hours to Durango to beat Fort Lewis. And besides, you can quickly make back your dues by saving money on supplies through our sponsors.”
IUCC needs to realize that activity is NOT the same as action. And making statements like, “Your executive board has many plans in store for the upcoming year that will help bring Indiana University Cycling back to level of competition it was accustomed to in previous years”, and not producing the plans is a poor way to run a club.
I think in 99 regionals was planned on the weekend of little 5, and a group of IU racers held a meeting as soon as the schedule was announced to get the date changed to the following weekend. IU also hosted regionals in 2000. Not only do they need an advisor but they need a training coach/advisor that understands the difference between Little 5 training/track training/crit training/and road race training. The mileage that those guys were putting out in the late 90's was incredible and it did affect their Little 5 results because they lost power but gained unreal endurance that allowed them to survive on those 80 mile steep hilly races where it was more of a race of attrition than a race based on speed or natural talent.
Proper diet is also easy to talk about, but is very underutilized at the collegiate level.
They need an advisor, and a coach and they don't necessarily need to be there in Bloomington to do it. It's all about communication, teammwork, specialized training, and proper diet.
IU did have some guys that were Cat 1-2's but there were not 20 of them. More like 2-3 that were eligible Cat 2's. Allistar was a 2 and I can't remember anyone else besides Sam Gasowski who just Catted up and only rode for 2 years of his life at that point. The Cat 3 rule was in effect for little 5 so many were Cat 1-2 caliber. I remember those guys doing a 150 mile hilly ride a couple weeks before little 5 to prepare for the road race and they were hammering the whole time.
Sam Gasowski was a grad student and placed relatively well, Fields was a senior and was top 20, the time trial team ended up 4th which was actually disappointing at the time because they were dead tired after the road race.
Another thing I have noticed is that Little 5 is becoming more of a shorter set speed race and emphasizes power rather than endurance, which won't take you very far at road nationals. Even the crit is a race of attrition unless you are near Eric Young's caliber.
Instead of anonymously bashing the current and recent administrations of IUCC, why not contact the club and offer your assistance or guidance?
Times have changed since the 90's and early 2000's and Little 5 training often takes precedence over traveling and racing for IUCC. It's not so much that the current administration has failed to enthuse the riding community to compete for IUCC. It's that the desire to compete for IUCC is trumped by riders and coaches that believe their time is better spent riding a Little 5 bike rather than racing against some of the best collegiate cycling has to offer.
The posts are critical but hardly bashing. IUCC is posting stuff like the two below. They sound great, but what is going on to make this happen.
"This core group is going to work extremely hard throughout the year to ensure that IUCC and it's members have the resources it needs to reach it's full potential and have a successful 2011-2012 season" or “Your executive board has many plans in store for the upcoming year that will help bring Indiana University Cycling back to level of competition it was accustomed to in previous years”.
They say they are raising the bar which is really great, but they need to explain how they are getting to the goals they they set themselves. That might just fire the members up and get everyone motivated.
And if anyone got bashed, it was alumni who have helped in the past who got bashed by the current IUCC president by claiming they were taking the club over.
part of the problem is the increasing restriction that the club sports federation imposes on the iucc, hence the "safety officers" being required. as a caring iucc alum who follows our progress but won't share his name, you should know that
Maybe putting that on the website would have been a good idea. And give some background on the two women who hold this new position.
Anyway, do you have a clever reply for the lack of an alumni position? Perhaps you should volunteer for it. Especially given that you seem to have such a good rapport as shown by your post and your posting name.
Anyway, thanks for the information.
i don't know how to put into words how sad it is that adults who presumably have graduated have nothing better to do than bicker on this blog
You would think that gdi. I looked up gdi in the thesaurus and you know what the top word was? Unemployed...looks like you have a lot of time on your hands to bicker
Oh GDI, you are so original. Your almost exact post has been posted about 30 times over the years. Realize most of these adults posting are at their jobs right now making money to pay taxes for all the unemployed recent college grads that can't find a job. You'll be there soon!
So what about the issue that half, 4/8 races are the exact same weekend as Little 5 series events and the little 5 race itself? Instead of bickering like a bunch of sorority girls, how about you alumni try to help us figure out a better way to solve this issue so that more cycling from IU can do both little 5 and collegiate races...And in my opinion, we probably cant change the MWCCC schedule, so maybe we should do something with IUSF about moving the series events to during the week? shit no one goes to classes on fridays and thursdays are just a shit show anyways
best in business,
gotta love baiting you people
Hear we go again: I think there is more significant sense of looking at the current situation too critically. It is not ideal at the moment and in the last few years there appears to have been a shift toward even more focus on L5 then collegiate cycling at IU. This is a shame as the experience of Collegiate championships are great fun by pretty much anyone I have discussed it with. However slamming the organisation of IUCC of previous recent years is a little harsh (I have not much knowledge of the current regime).
The MWCCC schedule is not a help but to think IU has an influence there then you are a misguided. The influence of IU is no longer what it once was partially because of the difficulties in organising an IU event due to 1, its L5 season and 2, the constraints of IU RecSports. Sportingly the varsity teams at Marian, LWC and Lindenwood mean IUCC will be playing to catch up to those teams who can recruit in top quality junior riders (IU riders need time to develop through the L5 years). I would envision IU as being similar to Wisconsin without L5 and would the alumni be pleased with that? Love it or hate it, L5 does kill collegiate participation and it just happens there aren't any particularly talented non-L5 cyclists coming to IU at the moment. Any talented junior riders out there would now surely go to Marian, Fort Lewis etc. Graham Dewart maybe the only junior Cat2 in the country who didn't go for a scholarship in recent year! In basic terms the depth of talent is not there at the moment. Bahati, Kehrberg and Wangerin are not walking through that door....
Why the shift toward the increased focus on L5? Maybe the spring training camp on the L5 track has diminished collegiate participation as before/after a hard week on track training the usual thought is not to go race on the road. Previously if you left Bloomington for SB then this might coincide with a collegiate stop off.
Are the alumni happy with the two recent track performances where a decent team has performed pretty well without being spectacular? Is winning the only thing to keep people happy? IU did qualify for Road Nationals last year and rode as strongly as they could but just didn't have the depth to compete for the prize, even with King Eric. They qualed and gave it their best shot, hopefully the same will happen this year and someone will step up to take on the graduated points! Maybe the major problem is that most of the talented Women who ride on the L5 track don't have much of a appetite for taking their cycling on the next level...nothing new there!
This thread started out with a question as to how the IU team would look this year, a reasonable question. What is interesting is that not one post can be attributed to an officer of the club. They must look at this board and maybe they want to stay above the fray, but the fact remains that club needs to be more proactive in getting its message out and promoting cycling and racing separate from Little 5. A new website is nice, but just because "you built it", does not mean "they will come". The site is a quantum leap compared to the last one that was not updated once last year and never even updated the club's officers from the previous year. But it reminds me of something that I read here a couple of years ago. "Don't confuse the edge of a rut for the horizon". I guess that time will tell if the "many plans" the club has will be revealed and produce the desired results. Because the value of the efforts is not measured by the intentions, but by the results.
There is no other race like Little 5, it is a true Spring Classic. It is a race that thousands of others wish they could do. How many of your closest friends, family, and classmates are going to be at colligiant nationals? You can probably count them on 2 hands, maybe even 1. So current riders, don't listen to everything on this board, go out there and enjoy it...and beat the Cutters (maybe that is why nobody cares about IUCC)
Little 5 is like the "regular season" in modern day pro cycling. IUCC is like the Worlds team and IU is the Belgian or Italian team. So much strength and potential but egos and "trade teams" get in the way. And when that doesn't happen on the road, it happens in the selection of the team - ie 2004. If the political BS didn't get in the way, IU would have won a title that year. That political BS would still take place today even if IUCC was committed and showed up to the big races. Heck it was evident last year during the L5 All-star awards.
Look at the program at Marian, there is no way IUCC could hold a candle to them. Could a Little 500 team? Yes, because they act and ride like a TEAM. IUCC, no.
This post may have nothing to do about the previous - I don't have the time to read them. The only thing I picked up was complaining and whining (nothing new on this board). Riders of IU, realize what you have in front of you -the Little 500 and an opportunity to change the way of IU cycling...or you can go and party at Roys.
Frat
With the right leadership you can have it work, because it has in the past. But it doesn't just "happen" on its own.
IUCC riders can be a subset of Little 500 riders, or Little 500 riders can be a subset of IUCC riders. The latter taps the resources of the entire university, so is the better option.
Tom
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